Talk:Boudicca

Matt, just curious -- since you made the description of her characteristics more certain in tone, I'm wondering if you have found additional information about what that stuff on her head is? I could never tell what it is myself. -- Vaevictis Asmadi 10:00, 14 September 2007 (CDT)

I don't want to be arrogant about this, but to me it is visually obvious that it is not hair. Beyond that, I simply counted how many spikes there are on the crest. If it was hair, it would have to be the exact same color as her skin, which is unlikely, and there is no line on her head where the skin ends and the hair starts. I went through a lot of pics of Boudicca before changing this. The fact that there are always six distinct spikes to the crest backs it up. It's not like with Demona's spikey hair where the number is always changing due to the nature of hair. --Matt, 14 September 2007

Eh, to me it's really obvious that those are horns and not ears. Where are the ear openings? But I think since we disagree about this, maybe we should ask Greg when the queue opens. -- Vaevictis Asmadi 13:17, 14 September 2007 (CDT)

The ears are something totally else. I think the ears are even more obvious, sorry. Look at Bronx for a guide. He's got his brow ridges with small horns, no cheek horns. Boudicca has brow ridges without horns, but horns on her cheeks. Okay, I think we agree here so far. Now behind their brows are their ears. Notice that both of their ears have a solid part that supports the ear. This is the same color as their topsides, this solid part supports the ear lobe which, while a different shape in Bronx and Boudicca, has one big similarity: It is the color of their undersides. Now behind the ears, Bronx has nothing, but Boudicca sports a six horn spiked crest thingie. *shrugs* --Matt, 14 September 2007

Those same narrow things I think are horns? I can definitely see now how they could be interpreted as ears instead, yes. I still think the stuff behind is too thick to be horns. My feeling is that if it is uncertain, then the entry should reflect that it is uncertain, instead of only supporting one opinion. -- Vaevictis Asmadi 18:24, 14 September 2007 (CDT)

No offense Vaevictis, but what your basically saying is the equivalent of "that thing behind Ophelia's brow horns is too big to be horns, so it might be hair." Whatever it is on Boudicca, it isn't hair. It is clearly made up of six thick spikes forming a crest. A CREST. And I'm not interpreting those things as ears, they ARE ears. If we are going to question everything in this series that hasn't been blatantly stated then we may as well give up on the GargWiki. We don't know for certain that Demona's "hair" is hair, it might be feathers, so lets change her entry to reflect that uncertainty. Please. I think it's 98% likely that Boudicca's ears are ears and that her crest is a six-pointed crest. Nothing else makes much sense. --Matt, 14 September 2007

I didn't design the character, so really all I'm doing is looking at it the way you guys are, but I tend to agree with Matt. Those look like her ears to me. -- gdw

You are offending me Matt. I never said anything about Ophelia or Demona. I'm talking about Boudicca. And I don't think that stuff on her head is horns, and I think it makes perfect sense that she has hair. I think my opinion is just as valid as yours. I also have eyes to look, and a brain to think. I'm looking at all the same pictures. I'm just as informed as you are. I don't see why my opinion should be inherently invalid just because you happen to disagree with me. -- Vaevictis Asmadi 12:35, 15 September 2007 (CDT)

Look. I'm sorry I offended you. Honestly, that is not my intent. I'm talking about Boudicca too. The reson I brought up Ophelia and Demona was to illustrate examples of what I'm hearing from you. Hopefully, at this point we can at least agree that her ears are her ears. As for what is behind them, well, here is my reasons for thinking it is a crest/array of horns: 1. It is the exact same color as her skin. If the artist were going to give her hair, I'm sure they would've chosen any other color besides her EXACT skin tone. 2. There is no line of demarcation. Take a look at Lynati's Gargoyle Screencap Page http://lynativerse.artchicks.org/Screencaps/Ga_Boud.htm Several pics clearly show a smooth transition from her beak to her cheeks to the crest/horns of her head. No place where skin stops and hair starts. 3. There is no evidence of the fluid movement of hair. Boudicca's crest is stationary and doesn't change shape or anything. It always has those distinct horns/spikes. Unlike, say, Demona. If you count the spikes in Demona's hair, the number will change from episode to episode, even scene to scene. Boudicca's crest doesn't do this because it can't. 4. I onced asked Greg a question concerning beasts having hair. While he did say that some beast do indeed have hair, he implied that we havn't seen any yet that do. Now, I'd love to hear your reasoning for thinking it may be hair. Maybe I missed something.

Look. If you use the [i]reducto ad absursum[/i] to try to make my opinion sound idiotic, of course it's offensive. Especially if you use that as "evidence" that my point of view is worthless.

There's several pictures on Lynati there where her "horns" abruptly change shape, number, and location. That is why it looks like hair to me. And by the way, Greg has said that Una and Leo are both furry, so don't assume that hair and skin can't be the same color -- or that hair has to all be one color, either. It is an unsupported assumption. If gargoyles can have purple skin, they can surely have khaki hair. It isn't as if Boudicca is green or blue or some other color that hair can't be. -- Vaevictis Asmadi 19:44, 15 September 2007 (CDT)