Talk:Avalon World Tour

Isn't Shambahla IN Tibet? Does adding it as a new destination count? It's not like Avalon sent them there. No one was awake to say the spell to return to Avalon. So either the monks or Coldstone or both or someone else put them in Shambahla. I mean putting it as a new World Tour destination is like saying Ishimura AND the Gargoyle Theme Park. It's repetitive. Avalon only sent them to one location and they moved around on their own terms or someone elses while there. --Matt October 18, 2007

Ah, I see. I haven't got #6 yet, I was going by the Timeline. You have a point. -- Vaevictis Asmadi 18:50, 18 October 2007 (CDT)

Map

I like the idea of having a map. In fact, I once took an old globe and marked all the locations on it in a similiar manner. There are a few things I don't like about it, however. Rapa Nui is misspelled. I don't like how it looks like New Olympus is huge and in the South Atlantic. Maybe just note it at the bottom of the map as "(Exact Location Unknown)". Also, I don't like the inconsistency in the highlighting. Sometimes it is just a state (Arizona), sometimes it is an entire country (Austrailia) and sometimes it is just a city (London) or locale (Wyvern Hill). Maybe you could just mark the area of their visit (or make an edcuated guess for instances like Tibet or Nigeria) with a red marker dot or something. That'd clean it up a lot. Anyway, sorry if I sound negative, I really do like the idea. Just trying to give some suggestions. -- Matt 13:18, 21 July 2013 (PDT)

You have nothing to apologize for. This is exactly what I wanted: to start a discussion. All the things you pointed out (except the misspelling, which was just sloppiness) were issues I struggled with while working on the map.

1. The inconsistent highlighting stems from the inconsistent knowledge of the locations of the tour. Australia is a relatively big country, and we don't know where they were, so I figured that I'd be better off just highlighting the entire country than to guess. On the other hand, we know they went to London, so it seemed that highlighting the entire UK was unneeded. Same thing with Lock Ness, and there's also the fact that they went to Scotland twice and we don't know exactly where Wyvern Hill is located. However, as you can see with Lock Ness, dots are far from ideal, because you can't hardly see them unless you magnify the map.
2. I also struggled with New Olympus because all we know is that it is located somewhere in the Pacific or Atlantic oceans, which is not the same as saying they're somewhere on the Nile. I had to choose between making an educated guess or leaving it out. I chose to place it there based on the fact that it took them much longer to go from Guatemala to Rapa Nui, than from New Olympus to Guatemala. So, if New Olympus was somewhere near Rapa Nui, wouldn't it have taken much much longer to reach from Guatemala? Of course that we don't know how exactly time works while they're sailing, but as far as educated guesses go, that seemed the most plausible to me.

Having said that, I'm fine with taking New Olympus off the map. In fact, one of my original ideas was to include a table with a detailed legend of the map, and this way perhaps remove the names of the places from the map itself. This table could also include a note about the missing trip to Avalon. I'm also open to changing the colors. --Thogial 14:37, 21 July 2013 (PDT)

We know they were in the Austrailian Outback, and we have a lot of reason to believe they were not far from Uluru. I'd place the dot near there, which is near the center of the continent anyway.

Loch Ness is invisible on your map. If a red dot was the size that, say, Guatemala is on your map you could see them just fine. The dots would all be the same size and the same color.

I'm not sure I understand your argument in regards to New Olympus. The travelers returned to Avalon between each of the stops. That is the only way they could traverse those distances. They'd say the spell to return to Avalon, return there, sometimes stay a while and sometimes turn around and head right back out and then Avalon would send them to a whole new destination. New Olympus' location has nothing to do with the distances from Norway, Rapa Nui or Guatemala since they were traveling via Avalon. I don't think New Olympus should be left off simply because we don't know where it is, I just think we should make a note at the bottom of the map that says somethings like "("RED DOT" - Exact location of New Olympus unknown.)" Instead of implying without cause that it is in the South Atlantic. -- Matt 22:03, 21 July 2013 (PDT)

Huh. Forgot about the stops on Avalon.

What do you mean Loch Ness is invisible? It's a green dot on the exact location of where Loch Ness is. If you mean it's invisible on the file's page normal resolution, then that's what I said. How can I make a dot of the size of Guatemala for Lock Ness? That would cover the entire Scotland. And I disagree that all locations should have a red dot of the same size and color. Firstly, it looks unaesthetic and messy on Europe, and for the bigger countries it suggests that those are the precise places they went to. We know the exact location for some, but not for others and Norway, Tibet and Japan are big places. --Thogial 03:42, 22 July 2013 (PDT)

I'm personally still undecided how you'll ultimately tackle the non-specific locations like Norway & Tibet, Thogial, but I figure it probably wouldn't hurt to jot down that, like the educated guess for "Walkabout"'s location, "Cloud Fathers" was probably not far from Flagstaff, Arizona (considering the fictional school pool they arrived in, lol) --Pheon 22:19, 22 July 2013 (PDT)

That's why I preferred to highlight the entire country/region. I uploaded a new version with pins and outlined regions. How about now? Should I change all the names to black or remove them altogether and just leave the numbers? --Thogial 03:43, 23 July 2013 (PDT)

I'm liking the pins/outlines quite a bit, and I'd wait for others to chime in, but if the labeled names were specific (such as Ishimura) but the outlines more general (so all of Japan would be outlined), it might just be the best solution. And yes, it probably would be simpler to have all the names black (but I do like them labeled). Nevertheless, nice work Thogial! (Oh, and no doubt you're still tweaking the map, but just in case you weren't aware, Rapa Nui is the native name for Easter Island, off the coast of Chile (though its not particularly close to the mainland) --Pheon 08:39, 23 July 2013 (PDT)

Yeah, I know. But what do you mean? I used a gradient cut off circle to indicate that Rapa Nui is literally outside the map. --Thogial 12:17, 23 July 2013 (PDT)

Ah, ok, well maybe its just the projection/distortion of the maps I was looking at and what you've been using. Google Earth more or less places Rapa Nui not terribly southwest of the Galapagos Islands (which is visible on the World Tour map) but not terribly further west than Mexico's Baja penisula . . . which is largely why I was thinking its location still had a place on the map, not outside it. --Pheon 12:28, 23 July 2013 (PDT)

I also used Google Earth and got the impression that it was outside the map because of the scale of both maps. But admittedly I'm terrible at calculating distances on sight, so if anyone else thinks Rapa Nui is on this map, I'll just easily add a pin there (maybe a bit further down?) --Thogial 12:39, 23 July 2013 (PDT)

I also like the pins a lot. Basically, they are just like the dots I suggested. They make the map look much more organized. Making all the writing the same color would help with that too. The outlines I could go either way on. I'm pretty sure Rapa Nui should be East of where you have it indicated. And didn't Greg once mention that Ishmimura was on the North Island of Japan? I'll have to look into that and we could move the pin to indicate it. Nice work! -- Matt 01:03, 24 July 2013 (PDT)

Ok, how's the new version for final product? --Thogial 03:42, 24 July 2013 (PDT)

Looks great! -- Matt 12:36, 24 July 2013 (PDT)

I don't know about you Matt, but all I've been able to find about Ishimura's location is this response from Greg Weisman in 2008, saying he's still got to figure the location out. Nevertheless -- from the Canon & CIT that we do know -- I say thumbs up to the current map, Thogial :) --Pheon 21:20, 25 July 2013 (PDT)

Glad you like it. --Thogial 12:28, 26 July 2013 (PDT)