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OK, this is where things start to get confusing. We know that Odin, the leader of the Aesir and father of some of them, is fully Third Race. Slepnir, on the other hand, is said in Norse myth to be the son of Loki (presumably one of Oberon's Children himself) and a mortal stallion. So is he of the Third Race? Is he even considered an Aesir, being a horse and all? Or take the Greek pantheon as an example. It's possible that all of the Greek gods were the children of what were then known as Mab's Children and mortal humans. But if some of the original Greek gods were fully Third Race, then we wouldn't be able to say that Greek Gods were a subset of Oberon's (or Mab's) Children. Dionysus was the son of Zeus and a mortal woman, and some of the gods had one or more titan parents and who knows what the titans were. My point here is that it's going to be awfully hard to say definitively that certain pantheons are truly subgroups of Oberon's Children just based on the fact that one or some of them are. -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 18:34, 6 January 2009 (CST) | OK, this is where things start to get confusing. We know that Odin, the leader of the Aesir and father of some of them, is fully Third Race. Slepnir, on the other hand, is said in Norse myth to be the son of Loki (presumably one of Oberon's Children himself) and a mortal stallion. So is he of the Third Race? Is he even considered an Aesir, being a horse and all? Or take the Greek pantheon as an example. It's possible that all of the Greek gods were the children of what were then known as Mab's Children and mortal humans. But if some of the original Greek gods were fully Third Race, then we wouldn't be able to say that Greek Gods were a subset of Oberon's (or Mab's) Children. Dionysus was the son of Zeus and a mortal woman, and some of the gods had one or more titan parents and who knows what the titans were. My point here is that it's going to be awfully hard to say definitively that certain pantheons are truly subgroups of Oberon's Children just based on the fact that one or some of them are. -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 18:34, 6 January 2009 (CST) | ||
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| + | :All of this confusion is precisely what we can (and I believe should) avoid by simply sticking to what this site is all about: Gargoyles. Gunther may have mentioned the Norse gods, but he never mentioned the Aesir specifically. I have no issue with there being information about the Aesir in the Real World section of Odin's page, but I don't think this deserves its own page and certainly not a canon page. Demonskyre's questions are good ones. But we can't answer them, only Greg can (and will at the right time), our job is not to guess what will be, but to chronicle what is. The Aesir may be mentioned in the future as a canon group or whatever, but they have not yet. Lets stick to what we know and not try to guess the names of things we don't know about yet. If you want a page for Aesir, we may as well have a page for [[Fay]]. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 19:12, 6 January 2009 (CST) | ||
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I believe the reason this page has been marked as CiT is because the name itself has never been used in the series and it is unclear what the exact status of this group is in the canon universe. I actually think we should keep the page CiT until the term is used in the series. Until that point, Odin is just one of the Third Race associated with the norse countries. To be entirely frank, I'm not sure why this page exists here at all. It has very little to do with the series. It is something akin to me creating a page for the Great Wall of China. We assume it exists in the Gargoyles Universe, it makes sense that it does, but it isn't relevant (yet) to Gargoyles and therefore to this site. So my vote is to delete the page, but I doubt that'll happen, so at least I think it needs to be canon-in-training. -- Matt 18:28, 6 January 2009 (CST)
- But the Norse gods were mentioned, by Gunther in "Eye of the Storm." They are the Aesir. --GregX 18:38, 6 January 2009 (CST)
OK, this is where things start to get confusing. We know that Odin, the leader of the Aesir and father of some of them, is fully Third Race. Slepnir, on the other hand, is said in Norse myth to be the son of Loki (presumably one of Oberon's Children himself) and a mortal stallion. So is he of the Third Race? Is he even considered an Aesir, being a horse and all? Or take the Greek pantheon as an example. It's possible that all of the Greek gods were the children of what were then known as Mab's Children and mortal humans. But if some of the original Greek gods were fully Third Race, then we wouldn't be able to say that Greek Gods were a subset of Oberon's (or Mab's) Children. Dionysus was the son of Zeus and a mortal woman, and some of the gods had one or more titan parents and who knows what the titans were. My point here is that it's going to be awfully hard to say definitively that certain pantheons are truly subgroups of Oberon's Children just based on the fact that one or some of them are. -- Demonskrye 18:34, 6 January 2009 (CST)
- All of this confusion is precisely what we can (and I believe should) avoid by simply sticking to what this site is all about: Gargoyles. Gunther may have mentioned the Norse gods, but he never mentioned the Aesir specifically. I have no issue with there being information about the Aesir in the Real World section of Odin's page, but I don't think this deserves its own page and certainly not a canon page. Demonskyre's questions are good ones. But we can't answer them, only Greg can (and will at the right time), our job is not to guess what will be, but to chronicle what is. The Aesir may be mentioned in the future as a canon group or whatever, but they have not yet. Lets stick to what we know and not try to guess the names of things we don't know about yet. If you want a page for Aesir, we may as well have a page for Fay. -- Matt 19:12, 6 January 2009 (CST)
