Talk:Aesir

I believe the reason this page has been marked as CiT is because the name itself has never been used in the series and it is unclear what the exact status of this group is in the canon universe. I actually think we should keep the page CiT until the term is used in the series. Until that point, Odin is just one of the Third Race associated with the norse countries. To be entirely frank, I'm not sure why this page exists here at all. It has very little to do with the series. It is something akin to me creating a page for the Great Wall of China. We assume it exists in the Gargoyles Universe, it makes sense that it does, but it isn't relevant (yet) to Gargoyles and therefore to this site. So my vote is to delete the page, but I doubt that'll happen, so at least I think it needs to be canon-in-training. -- Matt 18:28, 6 January 2009 (CST)

But the Norse gods were mentioned, by Gunther in "Eye of the Storm." They are the Aesir. --GregX 18:38, 6 January 2009 (CST)

OK, this is where things start to get confusing. We know that Odin, the leader of the Aesir and father of some of them, is fully Third Race. Slepnir, on the other hand, is said in Norse myth to be the son of Loki (presumably one of Oberon's Children himself) and a mortal stallion. So is he of the Third Race? Is he even considered an Aesir, being a horse and all? Or take the Greek pantheon as an example. It's possible that all of the Greek gods were the children of what were then known as Mab's Children and mortal humans. But if some of the original Greek gods were fully Third Race, then we wouldn't be able to say that Greek Gods were a subset of Oberon's (or Mab's) Children. Dionysus was the son of Zeus and a mortal woman, and some of the gods had one or more titan parents and who knows what the titans were. My point here is that it's going to be awfully hard to say definitively that certain pantheons are truly subgroups of Oberon's Children just based on the fact that one or some of them are. -- Demonskrye 18:34, 6 January 2009 (CST)

All of this confusion is precisely what we can (and I believe should) avoid by simply sticking to what this site is all about: Gargoyles. Gunther may have mentioned the Norse gods, but he never mentioned the Aesir specifically. I have no issue with there being information about the Aesir in the Real World section of Odin's page, but I don't think this deserves its own page and certainly not a canon page. Demonskyre's questions are good ones. But we can't answer them, only Greg can (and will at the right time), our job is not to guess what will be, but to chronicle what is. The Aesir may be mentioned in the future as a canon group or whatever, but they have not yet. Lets stick to what we know and not try to guess the names of things we don't know about yet. If you want a page for Aesir, we may as well have a page for Fay. -- Matt 19:12, 6 January 2009 (CST)

Maybe Greg should weigh in before we do anything. --GregX 19:39, 6 January 2009 (CST)

One quick search later and we have an answer (thank you Google). It turns out not all the Aesir were Children, although many were: http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=9554. Here, in response to a question about the Aesir, Greg makes a general comment about the Children not travelling in packs much any more, suggesting to me that all these groups are very much past-tense articles: http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=3236. On the subject of Fay, this response seems to suggest that Fay might also be a subset of the Children, but it is not a synonym. And have a look here for something to really shake up the conversation: http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=692.

I'm not sure that's resolved anything (in fact I'm pretty sure it hasn't), but it's worth considering. -- Supermorff 16:08, 7 January 2009 (CST)

I've put in an edit stating that many of the Aesir were children of Oberon, but not all or them were. The second article Supermorff cites seems to indicate that characters like Odin and Anubis may be acting more as free agents these days, single deities rather than a part of a pantheon. In light of this, and the fact that we do know that some form of Ragnarok has happen in the Gargoyles universe, I wonder if we should be referring to "Aesir" in the past tense, since as a group of gods, they may not really exist anymore. I'd also like to suggest that we move this article to "Norse Gods" and make "Aesir" a redirect to that. I think that under ideal circumstances, every article title we use on GargWiki should be something that a person could pick up either from the TV series or the comics, making in easier for a person using the wiki to find something by relying on terms used in the canon. If not that, I propose that we at least create a "Norse Gods" page that redirects to Aesir. -- Demonskrye 09:10, 8 January 2009 (CST)

I have made a couple of "Norse Gods" redirects. I'm hesitant to move the article there completely, if only because Aesir has a specific meaning and has been mentioned many times on Ask Greg - although if Gunther did use the term "Norse gods" it might be the logical thing to do. What were his exact words in that episode, does anyone know? -- Supermorff 15:51, 8 January 2009 (CST)