Talk:Religious Studies 101: A Handful of Thorns

Should we give the Longinus Spear and the Crown of Thorns CiT entries? --GregX 22:52, 25 August 2009 (CDT)

Was the canonicity of this story discussed at all at the Gathering? I'm just wondering if making articles based on it would be like making articles for Thomeheb and Brigadoon. -- Demonskrye 07:39, 31 August 2009 (CDT)

The canonicity of the Radio Play was discussed and Greg said it was not canon at all. He did say he MIGHT use the Spear and Crown down the road, but frankly, he has also said he would get to everything eventually. So without an Ask Greg reference, I'm not sure what the point of making these pages would be. What would they say? They couldn't refer to a non-canon radio play for information afterall. I guess they just barely qualify as CIT in my mind. I dunno. -- Matt 09:24, 31 August 2009 (CDT)

I think that Matt's right - though I'd have enjoyed writing a "Real-world Background" article for the Spear of Longinus. --merlyn

Well, that's the funny thing; if we did make an article for the spear or crown all we could put in the article would be a section of Real World Background and I guess a reference to the non-canon radio play. And that doesn't really merit a page in my book. -- Matt 21:18, 31 August 2009 (CDT)

Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, we do have categories for Little Anton and LaVonne and E--- P-- and "The Flashback of Notre Dame" and The Spectacular Spider-Man, so where exactly is the dividing line between what is appropriate non-canon or out of universe material to cover and what is not? So far we have articles on some apocryphal characters from some apocryphal stories. Being written by Greg, I don't think this particular radio play script is any more apocryphal than a Disney Adventures comic or a Marvel Gargoyles comic or an episode of TGC. I'm not entirely convinced that these artifacts should have their own articles, but I think we should use this as an opportunity to think about our policies for what should and should not be in the wiki so that everyone is clear on them. -- Demonskrye 08:08, 1 September 2009 (CDT)

I have a compromise for this. We can have sections in THIS entry for the Spear of Destiny and the Crown of Thorns. Just make them subsections of the Religious Studies 101: A Handful of Thorns entry. --GregX 10:26, 1 September 2009 (CDT)

Script Posting

Can we put the script for this episode onto the site, like those for the Radio Play versions of "Hunter's Moon Part Three" and "The Reckoning"? I'd like to read it (especially with a cast this wide). -- merlyn

I'll start posting the play at ASK GREG later this week.--Gweisman 02:28, 31 August 2009 (CDT)

Thanks, Greg! I'm looking forward to it. (Still figuring out how to enter these "talk" posts.) -- merlyn

Picture

Would anyone mind if I posted this http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v661/gregx/SpearofDestiny.jpg on the page? I know we normally don't use fanart. But, it's a pretty accurate depiction of the scene (and what Demona said she was going to do to Elisa), and it was drawn by Karine, who is officially connected to the property via her comic book work? -- GregX 21:01, 19 October 2011 (PDT)

It is a cool picture. I don't have a problem with it being posted as long as it is made very clear in the caption that it is fan art and not canon. Frankly, I don't much have a problem with any fan art as long as it is identified as such and generally found on non-canon pages. -- Matt 06:19, 20 October 2011 (PDT)

Just for the sake of comparison, I can only think of the sketch of Demona that Vashkoda colored in that's currently included on the page for The Last. Like Matt was suggesting, the sketch is in a non-canon article (really its CIT, but still not actual Canon) and it has a rather descriptive caption saying that its not official. So with with a similar train of thought, I'm ok with Karine's pic as well :) --Pheon 08:19, 20 October 2011 (PDT)

Character Entries

So, since characters from apocrypha have character entries, would you object to giving the Spectacular Spider-Man cast their own character entries on GargWiki. Obviously we'd limit it to characters who appeared in the Radio Play. For example, Sandman and Rhino who don't appear and aren't even mentioned woudn't get them, and we'd keep the History on each page to the events and role they played in the Radio Play. The Transformers, for example, once had a non-canon crossover with the Avengers (non-canon for both universes), and the tfwiki still gave those characters wiki entries. For example: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Doctor_Doom so, thoughts? --GregX 07:59, 31 August 2012 (PDT)

I would strongly object to characters from another universe getting their own entries here. If you want to mention them specifically, do it on the Spectacular Spider-Man page and/or modify them on the Spec. Spider-Man wiki. Handful of Thorns is great and bears mentioning (and its own page) for various reasons (Gargoyles crossover written by Greg, presented at the Gathering and performed by numerous Gargoyles voice talent) but it obviously isn't canon and in that regard doesn't warrant what you are suggesting. If you want to mention, say, Demona's actions in the work in the Apocryphal part of her entry, I see no problem with that. And if, as I mentioned, you want to modify the Spec. Spider-Man page, that seems fine too. But giving non-canon, non-universe characters their own pages here just doesn't make any sense to me. --Matt 10:27, 31 August 2012 (PDT)