Talk:Labyrinth Clan

This may be a bogus idea, it's really more of a question.

We separate this clan into Mutates and Gargoyle members, right? Well, what about separating gargoyle and beast members of other clans? A gargoyle clan with beasts in it is still a gargoyle clan (unlike the way we categorize Labyrinth clan right now). But in the future, when they get a Beast (or we see the clan's future in Timedancer) where will we list beast members? Surely not in the "gargoyle members" part.

This isn't an actual suggestion that I think should be implemented, more something rhetorical to ponder. -- Vaevictis Asmadi 22:49, 29 August 2007 (CDT)

I think this is a pretty good idea, but I have one worry about it. We already have several clans that have subsections for former, current and future members, if we divide that up further I fear it'll get really disorganized since in some cases you'll have former beast members, former gargoyle members, current beast members, current gargoyle members, future beast members and future gargoyle members. And maybe one day we'll even add former, current and future HUMAN members That is a lot of sections and sometimes less is more.

I suppose that while I like the idea a lot, unless a better suggestion on format comes along, we should stay as is. Afterall, Greg W has said that while everyone knows that beasts and gargs are different species they also see the beasts just as much as members of the clan as the rest, might as well keep them all together. --Matt 11:42, 27 December 2007 (CST)

I agree. For now, leave as is. I also think that gargoyles and mutates are separated in this article not only because they are different species, but because they have formed distinct groups within the clan: they joined the clan at different times and (as "Masque" and "Bash" indicate) they act separately from each other. -- Supermorff 11:48, 27 December 2007 (CST)

If we count the mutates as members of the current Labyrinth Clan, should we list Fang as a former member? Or since the clones weren't there when he took off, was he never considered part of a clan? -- Demonskrye 14:57, 18 April 2008 (CDT)

I think he was a part of the clan, if briefly. Mention him if you like. -- Supermorff 14:12, 19 April 2008 (CDT)

Coloring

It's stated that the gargoyles of the Labyrinth clan have black teeth, but that isn't consistently shown. In The Reckoning, they certainly had black teeth and white mouths, but in Invitation Only, and Masque they are shown with white teeth. Should it be said factually that their teeth are black? -SamuelB 00:15, 9 June 2008 (CDT)

That's because the colorist for those issues didn't know the series or characters all that well. Stephanie Lostimolo and now Robby Bevard know what these characters look like. Black teeth and all. --GregX 00:21, 9 June 2008 (CDT)

Possible New Members

Uh, should Thug, Benny and Erin be added to the mutate membership list? And should Tasha be listed as a former member as she lived in the Labyrinth as a human? For that matter, do we include Al as a human member? Where should the line be drawn with a Labyrinth Clan member versus a Labyrinth resident? Should only gargoyles be considered members or gargoyles and mutates? All the mutates or just some? -- Matt 18:28, 21 August 2008 (CDT)

I was just thinking that too. Hmm. I would probably say no. The Clan would really be the gargoyles and mutates and their protectorate is the tunnels and the people who live there. They have humans who help them, like Al and Thug, but I wouldn't include them as part of the Clan. More like friends to the Clan. Now, if we see Thug, Benny, or Erin taking more of a part in protecting the Labryinth, then we could probably add them. Thats my thought. --User:Litwolf 23:13, 30 August 2008

Well...Thug already had an active role in protecting. He gaurded Fang before the breakout. And with his powerful new body...I would think he will take a more active role anyway. Benny and Erin are to young right now to do any real protecting...but they may when they get older...and I think Greg said that the Labyrinth clan consists of Gargoyles AND mutates. I think that all three of them could be considered clanmembers. Al too...he protects the Labyrinth in a very real way: he guards the door and screens those who pass through. (Not very well considering that Thailog and Sevarius got by him, but he does) That's my two centsGriffinwyrm7 23:17, 31 August 2008 (CDT)

Generations

Ok, throwing two ideas for the Labyrinth Clan generations. Not committed to either. Maybe there's other ways to organize, so hoping for other input. Looking at some previous old discussions regarding this clan, I think the rationale for separating the two to inaccurate -- as we've seen in the "Miracle Child" arc, the mutates and clones are often together, and perhaps don't "act separately" as we may have felt they were when we only had "The Reckoning" or in the Double-Date arc in Clan-Building to go on.

Known Members (option 1)

1954 [1]

• Claw

1970 [2]

• Talon - Current Leader

1975 [3]

• Maggie the Cat

(created in 1996)

• Delilah
• Malibu
• Burbank
• Hollywood

1997

• Michael Peter Maza

Note: Humans such as Al and mutates such as Thug, Erin, and Benny live and work in the Labyrinth, but it is unclear if they are considered members of the Clan.

2158 Generation

• Delilah (2198) - Second-In-Command [4]

Former Members

1968 [5]

• Fang - Attempted to take over the Labyrinth and was imprisoned. Later joined the Redemption Squad.

(created in 1996)

• Brentwood - Left to join Thailog.

Known Members (option 2)

• Claw (born 1954) [6]
• Talon (born 1970) - Current Leader [7]
• Maggie the Cat (born 1975) [8]
• Delilah (created in 1996)
• Malibu (created in 1996)
• Burbank (created in 1996)
• Hollywood (created in 1996)
• Michael Peter Maza (born 1997)

Note: Humans such as Al and mutates such as Thug, Erin, and Benny live and work in the Labyrinth, but it is unclear if they are considered members of the Clan.

2158 Generation

• Delilah (2198) - Second-In-Command [9]

Former Members

• Fang (1968) - Attempted to take over the Labyrinth and was imprisoned. Later joined the Redemption Squad. [10]
• Brentwood (created in 1996) - Left to join Thailog.

For what its worth, I do think we can safely add Michael Maza to the mutate side under 1997. No one else might know it in-universe, but it was definitely demonstrated in "Miracle Child" that he's got powers. --Pheon (talk) 11:11, 25 November 2023 (PST)

I prefer option 2. A lot cleaner and more concise, but still all the same info. And I think its safe to add all the mutates to the clan list. Maybe not Tasha, but everyone else. Not sure about Al. Maybe just make a new list of Labyrinth residents. Or is this not the place for that? -- Matt (talk) 14:38, 25 November 2023 (PST)

I think yeah, this isn't the place for all the denizens of the Labyrinth, which for practical sakes, we might as well consider it the sixth borough of New York City in the Gargoyles Universe (which isn't canon or CIT by any means, just my analogy on the practicality of trying to add all Manhattan residents to the Manhattan Clan).

Otherwise, I'm ok with option 2, dependent on our Manhattan Clan discussion. --Pheon (talk) 08:22, 26 November 2023 (PST)

Let's go with option 2 here. These clans with human/mutate members represent special cases. For one thing, we should only acknowledge them as part of the clan if one or more gargoyle members says it is so. And secondly, we need to handle each on a case by case basis. I'm all for consistency, but the Elisa's inclusion in the Manhattan Clan is very different than Talon's inclusion in the Labyrinth Clan (and both are different than Guardian's inclusion in the Avalon Clan. So, I think the best bet is to be as consistent as possible while still making the information clear and the page looking clean. -- Matt (talk) 10:50, 26 November 2023 (PST)