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:I was pretty sure that there was an image of the Gargoyles fighting in the Battle of Britain that was used in one of the early pitches. Actually, that may have been later, while Goliath was still immortal but the other gargoyles weren't. I don't remember definitively, and I can't find a citation of it right now.  
 
:I was pretty sure that there was an image of the Gargoyles fighting in the Battle of Britain that was used in one of the early pitches. Actually, that may have been later, while Goliath was still immortal but the other gargoyles weren't. I don't remember definitively, and I can't find a citation of it right now.  
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:Anyway, I have just trawled through the entire 740 archive of Greg's Rambles (it's not as bad as it sounds, since about 200 of the Rambles are TDIGUH, which I skipped quickly). Here is a list of all rambles that are likely to be appropriate. Some you will have already found, but I'm including them anyway. Enjoy:
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:Anyway, I have just trawled through the entire 740 archive of Greg's Rambles (it's not as bad as it sounds, since about 200 of the Rambles are TDIGUH, which I skipped quickly). [[#List|Here is a list]] of all rambles that are likely to be appropriate. Some you will have already found, but I'm including them anyway. I've left off things like episode memos. I haven't read these all through. They are in the order they came up in on the search (reversed), and may or may not be in chronological order. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 10:05, 23 February 2008 (CST)
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*[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=114 114. More archives material...] - A memo dated 12/4/95 to one of the earliest writers to work on the project, about the five-part pilot. All the names seem to have been finalized, except Xanatos is still called Xavier.
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*[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=115 115. A real fossile...] - The earliest file on the series, dated 3/11/91. ([http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=297 Reprint: 297].)
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*[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=116 116. Another tidbit] - 3/12/91. ([http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=298 Reprint: 298].)
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*[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=117 117. More...] - Summary of a meeting 12/19/91. The comedy pitch has been rejected, and this is the earliest file on the dramatic version. It is called ''The Gargoyle''. Even here, businessman Xavier is the villain and the Gargoyle's modern friend is a "young idealistic girl (perhaps a plain clothes detective)".
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*[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=299 299. Notes from a lunch meeting...] - A memo, written before 3/20/91 by an associate (perhaps Kat Fair), about the comedy development. The modern human ally is described as a "nerd female" and she is a scientist working for the main villain, referred to as "evil 3piece/ex-mage".
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*[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=300 300. Early comedy development...] - Notes from a Development Staff Meeting 3/20/91, again probably written by Kat Fair. For the first time, gargs turn to stone while sleeping. The castle-atop-a-skyscraper appears too. The villains are Nephew (pre-Xavier), Sorcerer (who put the gargoyles to sleep 1000 years earlier) and Sidekick. The female ally (pre-Elisa) is now a curator, perhaps with a young sister or daughter. The name Morgan is mentioned.
 
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:I've left off things like episode memos. I haven't read these all through. They are in the order they came up in on the search (reversed), and may or may not be in chronological order. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 10:05, 23 February 2008 (CST)
 

Revision as of 12:46, 23 July 2008

History section

One thing that would really improve this article would be a History section, with info on:

  • Comedy development
  • Addition of Goliath and transformation into action-drama
  • Various pitches
  • Rejections and then acceptance by Disney
  • Working on first season
  • Renewal for second season
  • Cancelleation
  • Goliath Chronicles
  • Ten year hiatus, fans, Gatherings, etc

We can mention the comic, but at that point it may be best to direct users to the comic page itself.

There are loads of anecdotes throughout Ask Greg that could make such a history section quite long and really interesting. Any agree/disagree? Thoughts? -- Supermorff 03:35, 16 February 2008 (CST)

I think this is a great idea. I keep feeling like we should have more of the background information on the show revealed by "Ask Greg" and other sources on the wiki. I wrote up a description of the comedy development drawing from the "Ask Greg" archives. Since the comedy development went through a lot of revisions, the main focus in on the characters who would later evolve into the cast of the final show. This is obviously a big undertaking so I'll be doing it in chunks. Any help or corrections are, of course, greatly appreciated. -- Demonskrye 10:51, 19 February 2008 (CST)

Great work so far. I really tried to give this a go, but I just couldn't get started. But, yeah, great work. Keep it up! -- Supermorff 13:50, 19 February 2008 (CST)
Great work so far, Demonskyre. Honestly, I'm glad you feel up to taking on this page. It is one we really need, I think, but one I'm not excited about working on. Thanks! -- Matt 17:31, 19 February 2008 (CST)
Thanks for the votes of confidence. I did some minor edits on the comedy development (pointing out a few concepts that made it through to the final show) and started in on the section on "The Gargoyle", which I intend to add to later. One thing I'm wondering about, how should we refer to real world people if we use their name more than once? For example, if I were to write "In 1991, Greg Weisman had a pineapple on his head", what would I call him in the next sentence? "Greg"? "Weisman"? "Mr. Weisman"? Just repeat "Greg Weisman"? For the time being I'm referring to Tad Stones as "Mr. Stones", but what do you think it should be? -- Demonskrye 14:09, 21 February 2008 (CST)
Out of habit, I tend to repeat the whole name. I think that using a first name is probably not a good idea, in general, although any of the other options are fine. -- Supermorff 07:01, 22 February 2008 (CST)

Do we know that "The Gargoyle" specifically fought in the Battle of Britain? I'm actually having a rather tough time reliably finding all of the memos on the pre-development of "Gargoyles" at Ask Greg. I can't seem to find a category for them and they don't seem to be in with the ramblings either. I got the comedy development stuff by searching for terms like "comedy" and "Dakota" and "Amp". But searching for "The Gargoyle" is going to be an exercise in futility. Has anyone got a reliabel way to look at all the early development docs? -- Demonskrye 07:19, 23 February 2008 (CST)

I was pretty sure that there was an image of the Gargoyles fighting in the Battle of Britain that was used in one of the early pitches. Actually, that may have been later, while Goliath was still immortal but the other gargoyles weren't. I don't remember definitively, and I can't find a citation of it right now.
Anyway, I have just trawled through the entire 740 archive of Greg's Rambles (it's not as bad as it sounds, since about 200 of the Rambles are TDIGUH, which I skipped quickly). Here is a list of all rambles that are likely to be appropriate. Some you will have already found, but I'm including them anyway. I've left off things like episode memos. I haven't read these all through. They are in the order they came up in on the search (reversed), and may or may not be in chronological order. -- Supermorff 10:05, 23 February 2008 (CST)

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