Talk:John Castaway (Apocrypha)

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I thought that Castaway's identity as Jon Canmore was referenced really briefly in the final episode of TGC, wasn't it? I could be wrong, but I seem to recall something like a voiceover or a news broadcast that says "John Castaway, also known as Jon Canmore, was arrested blah blah blah." Did I just make that up? It's one of the few things I thought I knew about TGC. -- Supermorff 13:26, 24 May 2008 (CDT)

Never happened. The name Canmore was never said. -GregX
Goliath hinted at it, but like Greg said..."Canmore" wasn't spoken aloud by either "G" or CastawayGriffinwyrm7 21:03, 24 May 2008 (CDT)
When did Goliath even hint at it? -GregX
Goliath said (and I'm paraphrasing here) "You would endager all of these innocent lives over what? An ancient hatred?" Here's the link [1], I didn't watch it all the way through...ugh...I just skimmed to the part were Goliath and Castaway confront one another. Griffinwyrm7 00:08, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
That is way too vague to even count. Could have meant an ancient hatred most humans in general have felt for gargoyles. Not to mention there is no way Goliath could have known who Castaway really was. I'm sorry, it doesn't count. -GregX
You forget that it's the Goliath Chronicles...they didn't pay much attention to little details. In any case, I tend to agree with you. It wasn't a real was just a vaugue hint, but I think that the Hunter/Quarrymen connection was the intent there...just not well executed.Griffinwyrm7 00:21, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
Huh. Then I have no idea where that little memory came from. Dang. -- Supermorff 07:16, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
I have to agree with Griffinwyrm; it was a reference to the gargoyle/Hunter feud. If that's the case, the article should be altered to reflect it. On that note, shouldn't that section be designated as out-of-universe, under Production Background or something like that? Caswin 21:36, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
Cite your source, please. - GregX 23:19, 25 May 2008 (CDT)
Well, I don't have "Angels in the Night" on hand, of course, but its article originally contained a reference to the line. It has since been edited out, but it does indicate that the line was said, and unless we have any reason to distrust the page... Caswin 11:48, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
I'm not disputing that the line was said. It was "you'd destroy all these lives for what? An ancient hatred." I am disputing that the line is a reference to Castaway's original identity. It could mean humanity's ancient hatred towards gargoyles. Besides, how would Goliath know who he was. I'm sorry, but the line is too vague to call it a reference. As far as TGC goes, Castaway was a completely new character. -GregX 18:41, 27 May 2008 (CDT)
Sorry, but you asked me to cite my source, not substantiate its relevance. As far as that goes, I would suggest that at the very least, it merits a reference on the page -- if not as a clear-cut reference (it's not as if it would be out of character for the Goliath Chronicles writers to be clumsy about it), then as a point of interest. Caswin 08:22, 29 May 2008 (CDT)

I agree with Caswin there. I'm not sure whether it was intended to be a reference to the Hunter/Canmore lineage or not, but it is a point of interest and I think the page should reflect that. We should mention the possibility but leave the certainty of the line ambiguous. -- Matt 08:36, 29 May 2008 (CDT)