Talk:Katana

Robby's design is SO tiny, it's practically pointless. I don't know how to fix it though...--Gweisman 13:20, 17 August 2009 (CDT)

I increased the size a little, but anyone can click on the picture for an even larger version. I think I'll add that note. --GregX 16:10, 17 August 2009 (CDT)

Supermorf - that last change you made misinterpreted what I wrote. My point was he visited the future before and after meeting Katana, not that he visited Katana before and after he went to 2198.--Gweisman 17:52, 25 February 2010 (CST)

I'm slightly amused that it took me quite some time to decipher the difference in the two phrases in the above comment. I think I'm just going to blame it on the fact that it concerns time-traveling d: Anyhoo, I hope the edit I made on the page is a more accurate one. --Pheon 02:46, 27 February 2010 (CST)

Whoops, my bad. Thanks for correcting, Pheon. -- Supermorff 12:41, 24 March 2010 (CDT)

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Okay, a edit battle, that might liven things up around here. Didn't we have this issue with another page and a piece by Karine? I have to say that I agree with Supermorff. The canon appearence should have the top spot. Canon material should always take precedence over fan art and CiT material. That said, Karine is not just another fan artist as she has contributed greatly to the canon so I can understand Greg's point. Why don't we just put Karine's piece lower on the page with Brevard's stuff? I really think that is where it belongs. -- Matt 08:28, 18 January 2012 (PST)

I don't recall it. But, I also think that we should always use the image that best shows off the character. Look at the image at the top of Macbeth's page. Sure it's not "him." But it's still the character model and the best look we have of him. I showed the Karine pic to Robby Bevard, the guy who designed Katana, and even he thinks it's spectacular. The panel from the comic is, well, not the best look at her there is. Well, it's the best look at her in the comic, but even there, it's a tad off model. --GregX 19:04, 18 January 2012 (PST)

I don't mind Karine's pic being on GargWiki. It's an awesome pic, on-model, and besides, you can barely see Katana in the actual comic. But I think we should have the canon pic in the article to balance things out. And yeah, it should be on top of the fanart. But that doesn't mean they can't both be showing proudly. DTaina 21:27, 18 January 2012 (PST)

We can only have one main pic, and I'd rather have the great one by a canon artist than a mediocre one. We can't have two main pics. I don't mind the comic panel being in the entry though. --GregX 21:31, 18 January 2012 (PST)

I have to agree with Matt... The canon pic should take the top spot. As for the Macbeth robot, he's still in the show and he's clearly not fanart, so I don't think that example applies here. What do you guys think? DTaina 21:44, 18 January 2012 (PST)

It's fanart by a canon artist. The comic panel is... again, mediocre. And this isn't just another fan artist. I feel really strongly about this. --GregX 21:58, 18 January 2012 (PST)

It may be fanart by a canon artist and it may be a great shot... but it is still fanart. The comic panel may be mediocre and it may be slightly off model... but it is still the best canon shot we have. No one is claiming that Karine is just another fan artist. Clearly her status is the only reason everyone is fine with the picture being posted on the page at all. Certainly, no other fan artist's non-canon work is posted on this site, afterall. I understand that you feel strongly about this and I understand why, but the majority (meaning myself, Supermorff and DTaina) also feel strongly about the issue or else we wouldn't bother. We've always gone by majority rule here, so you can't argue with that just because you are in the minority this time. Three people think that the canon pic should be the main pic and that Karine's non-canon pic should be placed lower on the page. One person disagrees. That's the way it is. -- Matt 06:18, 19 January 2012 (PST)

I'm not a big contributor, but I'm a regular user and, for what it's worth, I also agree that mediocre canon trumps great fanart by a canon artist. (And Greg, thanks for moderating your most recent comment. When I first read it I thought I had accidently stumbled onto the GregWiki.) Phil 07:22, 19 January 2012 (PST)

Matt, the only discussion that I recall (from relatively recently) was in Talk:Religious Studies 101: A Handful of Thorns, where it was brought up that fan art would be generally OK in non-Canon articles. Similar, but not sure that would ultimately apply in this case. As for me, I don't this is much of a big deal either way -- As usual, I think its great work by Karine, but personally I think the Canon shot of Katana isn't that bad, even if its one thats clipped away the Brooklyn in front of her. But just for the sake of thoroughness, Karine's non-Canon pics have been featured as "main" pictures before (though not often) -- for one, there's her work of Dingo & Matrix on Dingo's page - which, while not at the top of the page is still satisfactory next to Dingo's history post-"Walkabout." There's also the tribute made for Gary Sperling fan art which is also the main picture for the Redemption Squad page (and that could have really have been replaced with a Canon shot of the team in the Helicopter, or something similar). --Pheon 07:37, 19 January 2012 (PST)

Rather than continue this discussion (although I did post a compromise), I felt it was time to decide what our rules are when situations such as this one came up, so I a discussion here on this very topic. Let's take this over there, and decide what the GargWiki's official stance on this sort of thing should be. Really hammer it out. --GregX 10:47, 19 January 2012 (PST)