Talk:Timeline

Egg-Laying Year?

The timeline records "988. Last rookery of eggs laid at Castle Wyvern." I want to make sure this date is accurate. Did Greg say that the eggs were laid in 988? I had thought that eggs are laid in the fall equinox and hatch ten years later in the spring equinox. Are they laid in years ending in 8 or years ending in 7? -- Vaevictis Asmadi 21:01, 21 September 2007 (CDT)

The date is correct. As an example, Demona and Goliath CONCEIVED on the fall equinox in 987. Six months later, on the spring equinox of 988, the egg containing Angela and the other eggs were laid. If all had gone normally, they would've all hatched in 998. Eggs are conceived in years ending in 7, lain in even years ending in 8 (68, 88, 08, etc.) and hatch in odd years ending in 8 (78, 98, 18, etc.) So from conception to hatching is actually a 10 year, six month process. --Matt 22 September 2007

Oh... duh. We were even just talking about this at Ask Greg. Nevermind then... -- Vaevictis Asmadi 15:26, 22 September 2007 (CDT)

Phenomena

Phenomena is the original reading from Greg's entry quoted in the Timeline entry. I changed it back to the exact quote when I realized that it isn't a typo. The Matrix is made up of millions of nanobots, so referring to it in the plural is not incorrect, just unusual. -- Vaevictis Asmadi 15:10, 5 September 2007 (CDT)

Okay. Sorry about that then. I suppose it could have referred to many (plural) phenomena caused by or related to the Matrix, instead of the Matrix itself? Or Greg may have made a typo when he typed it out first time. If you want to change it back again, I won't change it back again... uh... you know what I mean. -- Supermorff 10:18, 6 September 2007 (CDT)

Canon vs. Canon-in-Training

Because this article is in the Canon category, and because canon-in-training information is still subject to change, I propose to put all of the canon-in-training entries in bold. Obviously nearly all the dates are known only through Ask Greg, and they are all formatted in bold anyhow. I'm only interested in bolding entries for events which are not shown or referred to in canon, or (such as the timing of Nokkar's arrival) for which the date is not so much as hinted in the canon. Vaevictis Asmadi 18:46, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

I intend to leave known historical events as "canon" since they probably aren't subject to change. -- Vaevictis Asmadi 10:45, 19 August 2007 (CDT)

I'm also leaving real historical characters un-marked, even though some of them are categorized as C-i-T -- such as Maol Chalvim I. I know this is sort of inconsistent and maybe should be changed later, but I'm trying for the moment to only mark information that is not known through real history or legend. I'm not sure if this is the correct approach, but it is a start. -- Vaevictis Asmadi 11:42, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

A.D or C.E?

I suppose it's theoretically possible that I once used BCE and CE in some specific context, but I almost exclusively use BC and AD. Certainly, my own timeline uses BC and AD. Where did you get the idea that I preffered BCE and CE? - gdw

I was making an inference based on one of your rambles where you discuss the timeline you wrote. The ramble in question is here. I figured since you wrote "from 9386 B.C.E." that was the convention you were using for your written version of the timeline. I suppose I was incorrect in making that deduction?--Moeen 09:46, 19 August 2007 (CDT)

Alright, next time somebody decides to re-format a bunch of pages without asking first, I'm going to let somebody else standardise everything.

So Greg, which convention do you prefer, or which do you prefer we use here? -- Vaevictis Asmadi 10:45, 19 August 2007 (CDT)

Personally, I use BC and AD. But that doesn't mean you guys have to here. This isn't MY site. It belongs to all of you and I pitch in every once in a while. The point I was trying to make was that if the change was being made because "This is how Greg likes it" then that premise is faulty. My gut, I think, is to stick with BC and AD, because that's what the show itself used. But I'll leave the final decision up to you guys. Take a vote.

My apologies, Greg, if I came off as presumptuous. I'll be more careful about my inferences in the future. You are correct, of course, that since this is a fan site, decisions about preferences should be made collectively.

Having said that, I don't see why we can't use both A.D. and C.E., given that the numbers don't change, and there's little chance of confusing the dates as a result. --Moeen 15:36, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

other stuff

Um, there's a lot there that is historical, or makes sense within context that shouldn't make it Canon-In-Training. If Fox had a parole hearing the day after she saved the life's guard, how is that anything other than common sense? Of course that means it's expedited.

On that note, Macbeth's cousin is listed as canon-in-training when he was historically real. (preceding unsigned comment by Greg B.?)

If you think I should change the parole hearing stuff, then I will.

Thorfinn is historical but his involvement in the events listed, and his described manner of death, are not historical, so far as I know. I mostly used Wikipedia to figure out if events were historical or fictional/speculative (and had a heck of a time tracking down the source for that Barricades Revolution). So for example, if Greg says "date - John Lennon born" that would go unmarked, but if he said "date - John Lennon has a secret meeting with the London clan" or "date - John Lennon dies in a car accident in Prague" that's canon-in-training. -- Vaevictis Asmadi 14:38, 10 September 2007 (CDT)

By the way, the Revolution of the Barricades is a historical event. --Moeen 00:03, 11 September 2007 (CDT)

The one in 1832? -- Vaevictis Asmadi 09:19, 11 September 2007 (CDT)

Yup. :-) --Moeen 14:31, 11 September 2007 (CDT)

Cool, thanks for helping. I'll change that.

Re: Philibert Aspairt, I had completely forgotten that historical facts are not marked CIT. My bad. -- Supermorff 15:15, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

No problem. Some people also aren't familiar with some historical events, so tend to mark them as CIT believing they're fiction. The stuff from France isn't that well known to Americans. You won't find some things in Wikipedia (hard to believe, I know), but there's always the internet. If you like wikis though, you might try the French Wikipedia. Here's the article on Philibert: [1], and the "Revolution of the Barricades" I think: [2], although I don't think the French call it that.--Moeen 00:42, 4 November 2007 (CDT)

Thanks. Actually, I Googled him yesterday and came up with that exact page, but not knowing French that well I didn't really understand what it said. Oh well. -- Supermorff 07:27, 4 November 2007 (CST)

Propose Splitting 1996, and perhaps other major years

As some have noticed, this page has become pretty massive. 1996 particularly takes up a lot of room, and there enough info there for it to be worthy of its own page. Since there doesn't seem to be a consensus, I suggest we vote on whether we should split off 1996 or not. So cast in your vote (Split. or Keep.) below along with your reason, and say a week from today we'll go ahead with whatever we decide. Fair enough? Here goes.--Moeen 00:49, 4 November 2007 (CDT)

• Split. The page has become unwieldy, and 1996 has enough info to deserve its own page.--Moeen 00:49, 4 November 2007 (CDT)

• I'm sorry, but I find the Timeline easier to handle as is. We are not splitting it, I don't mean to be rude, but I am pulling rank here. This is not up for vote. --Greg Bishansky

• Split. I may be putting my neck on the line following Greg B's comment, but I think this needs to be done. The Timeline is already huge, and it will only get longer. My computer is on the limits of being able to handle editing it, and soon it just won't be able to. Some editors may have computers that can easily deal with the information, but others do not and it's never good policy to alienate potential users. In a perfect world, I do think it would be easier if all the information was in one place, but I don't think separating off a few sections will make it overly complicated. As I said before, I think it needs to be done. -- Supermorff 07:25, 4 November 2007 (CST)

• Split. I'd say leave most the timeline the way it is, but have links at 1994-1996 (and maybe other years later) due to how massive those years are getting. It reminds me of the Timeline at Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki. Now our timeline isn't as massive as theirs, but one day it could be. They have sperate pages for years, decades, centuries, whatever works best. Anyway, don't want to piss off Greg B here, but if done correctly, this would look pretty good. Greg, I'd like to better understand why you feel it is easier to handle as is. I find myself constantly scrolling and dancing around to find a certain date. It's chaotic. -- Matt 4 November 2007

• • Okay, first off, no one is "putting necks on the line" or "pissing me off" just for having opinions. But, earlier, when it was split, I gave it a try, and I'm sorry, but I know I would find it annoying having to go to multiple pages at once just to edit the Timeline. Supermorff, I'm sorry your computer is having trouble with it, but mine isn't, and so far I don't think too many other people are having that problem. Matt, I don't know if you are, or not, but you can always use Ctrl+F to find what you're looking for in the Timeline without having to constantly scroll. That's what I do when I'm in a hurry. I'm sorry you find it unwieldy or chaotic, but I disagree. I find it very straight forward and easy to use. I don't think a split needs to be done. -- User:Greg Bishansky