Talk:Clones

A lot of the information in this page can be found in Labyrinth Clan and other entries. I think this page should be revamped (and I'd be happy to do so) to mean clones in general, not as a proper title. This page could talk about the cloning process in general, all the clones seen so far and real world background on cloning. Anybody not agree? Suggestions? -- Matt 12:32, 2 February 2008 (CST)

Sounds fine, but I have no suggestions as to how you'd go about it. -- Supermorff 04:53, 3 February 2008 (CST)

I have a pretty good idea about how to make the page much more original, and, unless I get a couple 'nay' votes first, I'll work on it when I have a bit more time. -- Matt 09:49, 3 February 2008 (CST)

I've done some more thinking about this page, as well as Mutates. I guess what I'd like to see is a page about cloning and a page about mutate-ing. The problem is that "Mutates" and "Clones" are also proper nouns in the series. So what can we do? All the info on these two pages can be found in other places, so I'm leaning towards doing a total, or near total, wipe of the page and starting over refering to the cloning and mutate-ing processes themselves. I feel we need pages talking about these subjects in the series itself. The character info found on these pages is repetitive and found elsewhere. I dunno, I'd love some thoughts and/or suggestions. -- Matt 16:46, 24 February 2008 (CST)

I think it'd be a fine idea to explain the cloning and mutating processes in Gargoyles as long as you specified that in the beginning of the article. EX: Clones may refer to blah blah blah, but this article discusses the cloning process. For blah blah blah, see [[LINK]] or something. Y'know, except employing a more encyclopedic tone. - SamuelB 20:46, 25 February 2008 (CST)

I think something along those lines would work. Just a quick one sentence disambiguation at the top like "For the five gargoyles cloned by Sevarius for Thailog, see Labyrinth Clan". Then a quick sentence explaining what a clone is. Then the rest of the article can explain the cloning process, maybe with some additional background on how cloning works in the real world. -- Demonskrye 07:55, 26 February 2008 (CST)

I like that idea a lot. -- Matt 16:52, 26 February 2008 (CST)

Cloning

I've had a go at reworking this article so that it mostly deals with the concept of cloning rather than the five "Clones" produced by Thailog and Demona. Nevertheless, most of the History section still refers to the gargoyles clones created by Sevarius both these Clones and Thailog). Only the introduction is substantially different. I've also removed the Timeline - it was specific to the group and I don't think it's really relevant any more. -- Supermorff 16:58, 8 September 2008 (CDT)

argh I worked so hard on those timelines. Maybe we could piece it up into sections for each individual clone.--PGFish 19:00, 8 September 2008 (CDT)

I think only individual characters should have timelines and I think those need to be a bit more condensed then they seem to be so far, hitting only the major points, not every little detail in that charcters life. The main Timeline contains all the minutiae, and we already have one massive timeline, we don't need more huge and repetitive timelines on everyone's pages. I do like the character timelines, but I fear they are getting a little too unwieldy and repetitive (in respect to the main Timeline and the character's history sections. -- Matt 19:48, 8 September 2008 (CDT)

Well I think they are as condensed as they're going to get. Really they're not that huge. And I added a bunch of details that the main timeline left out. So you're saying they're repetetive of the main timeline yet they have too many details? That's contradictory. The timeline is pretty vague-it has to be or else it would take up way too much space-so I got more detailed on the individual timelines and added stuff that was missing. If they get condensed, then they would be reiterating the main timeline. And aren't wikis supposed to be detailed? I don't mean to come off as bitchy here or anything it's just that I spent HOURS on those timelines and I don't appreciate people just wiping them out or taking away large chunks of all that work. At least discuss it with me first and we can work something out. If you had such a problem with them then why didn't you speak up before while I was working on them? In any case, I'm not going to bother with working on them any more so if someone wants to continue the character timelines then be my guest.--PGFish 23:09, 8 September 2008 (CDT)

I've put some thought whether I should respond to this at all since it seems to be getting a little too emotionally charged in here and we've seen where that goes. I'll just illustrate my main complaint about the Character Timelines (which, by the way, I do like). Take a look at Burbank. Right now his timeline has this...

November 1. A fight breaks out between the Manhattan clan and the clones. During the battle, Thailog collects blood samples from the eight members of the clan. Delilah arrives, effectively ending the battle, and she rejects Thailog. Malibu, Hollywood, and Burbank return with her to the Labyrinth, but Brentwood elects to stay with Thailog. Thailog gives the blood samples to Sevarius. ("Bash")

Yes, it has detail and that is good, but half of the detail has nothing really to do with the character. We are not looking for a synopsis of Bash here or even the tibdits of Gargoyles history that Burbank may have played some small part in. We are looking for a timeline specific to this character. Condense it to be detailed, but only focus on the relevant stuff. Frankly, it would take less time to write (therefore, it wouldn't take you HOURS). Perhaps this date for Burbank could look more like this...

November 1. A fight breaks out between the Manhattan clan and the clones. Delilah arrives, effectively ending the battle. Malibu, Hollywood, and Burbank return with her to the Labyrinth. ("Bash")

We are all trying to make the Wiki better and I have not made any edits concerning this matter... ever. I'm just discussing things, so chill. -- Matt 07:07, 9 September 2008 (CDT)

I guess the ire was directed at me, so I'm very sorry if I offended you by removing it. As I tried to say in my earlier post, I removed the Timeline not because I disliked it, but because the purpose of the entire page had changed and the Timeline was no longer appropriate for the new purpose. I hadn't checked the individual clones' pages and I had assumed a similar Timeline already existed on them. My fault in that regard. -- Supermorff 12:34, 9 September 2008 (CDT)

No worries Supermoff, it's okay. It's really just the principal. And I'm not a drama queen Matt you don't have to worry about that ;P Really, I'm just worried that all the research I've done for this site is a big waste of my time, therefore it would be pointless of me to continue to contribute. Anyway, You're right about that example. All I did was cut and paste my old one onto the individuals' and didn't do a whole lot of editing...obviously it made sense being on the clones' page as a whole, which it was originally. You have my permission to edit them all you want, I won't be adding any more info to them though.--PGFish 13:57, 9 September 2008 (CDT)